I miss you, Rachel. Seriously, go cuddle up to the thing and get used to it. This is what happens when the Army puts a laser on an Apache attack helicopter. WATM is made in Hollywood by veterans. It's military life presented like never before. Check it out at We Are the Mighty. Off Duty. We experience loss too, just like my two pilots who were shot down during my second deployment in We live together, work together, train together and rely on each other.
We may be pogs, but we lose brothers too. Mad respect. Anybody around that time knew An Bar was popping. We fought hard, and we came back with a more definitive line of respect. Combat arms is a blurring field but some things that I will take a hard line on. I am not a dumb grunt but it was my dream to be an infantryman.
I thought that was the only way to honorably serve your country and if I lived through it, than I could tell my children and grandchildren that I walked confidently with 50 of the most badass dudes in the AO towards a bad firefight and we did plenty. Yeah, we had some truly dumb people but you also have to remember those that were fighting in the infantry…mainly WANTED to be there. But remember, we are a special breed. We are the tip of the spear and those of us who voluntarily signed that contract with 11b have that hard-headed mentality that we are in fact, better than most.
No civvy gives a rat shit what you did. But my kids will. Right on man. Welcome to grunthood. The helicopter people saved my life daily. As soon as the birds would leave to refuel, nonstop firefight until they got back. Much respect and love man. Some people just cannot get over themselves…. That is why this little battle continues. Pride can be a good thing but it can also be a cancer in an organization.
You got some guys that go through their career humbly doing their job, and not expecting any special treatment. Then you have those who like to hang out in bars and tell fake war stories to girls, and expect everyone to treat them like Rambo.
Only the guilty parties need be offended, and deserve to be. No room for egos and individuals. Go back home and spend your life reliving stories like some has-been high school quarterback. The rest of us will drive on without you. Like Liked by 1 person. When the shit it brewing, it is always nice to have a good FO calling in steel rain on the enemy.
I think this whole grunt vs pog mentality is nothing but bullshit on BOTH ends. Here is why. I served in the Marines as an NBCD specialist and the last two years of my contract I was with an infantry battalion at fucked-up 29 Palms. I still had to go to the field, road march and learn all the same weapons those guys did, PT the same way and do all the same other training in addition to sometimes having to train or Marines a day multiple times a week in the gas chamber or other classes.
Several years later, I joined the Army to help my family and guess what, the same exact scenario except this time I was in a combat arms mos Artillery and we still trained with the infantry battalions.
Once again, I went to the field, did the road marches, learned the weapons and tactics, went to Iraq and Afghanistan, did ALL the types of base security and guard duty and went outside the wire many times in both countries. I have heard the arguments from both sides. Grunts think POGs are weak and get off easy and cannot handle the way of the infantry.
The POGs think grunts are mostly the fucked-up guys who have low GT scores, were in trouble with the law or just have a really bad attitude or mentality and could not qualify for anything else. In short: dumbfucks who amount to nothing. If you people cannot see both viewpoints, then you are blind to the truth hidden in the center.
There is not one mos that makes the military run as a whole like a well-oiled machine. It is ALL of them. Here is my final viewpoint. If someone was infantry and then decided to switch to another mos for career advancement or to better their chances for a good civilian career, what does that make them?
Remember, we all went through the same training before we were sent out to learn and perform our specialty. There is a purpose for that.
They stay and fight. A grunt may talk differently because they use the same lingo everyday. Some guys watch too many movies. I recall a recent movie that took place in TWOT. An infantry company was bogged down and needed re-supplying. You may say, well that just happens in the movies.
Sorry, not so. Especially now that these war movies are more than likely based on true occurrences. Check the rolls of the CMOH recipients. Wow, a lot going on here. Great article, but in your broadstroke attempt you missed a defining factor that clears some of this up. A grunt humps his ass off, day in and day out, misses chow, eats crap chow, sleeps in the worst conditions and has his life on the line as his one and only job, then a POG that is inconvenienced or a supply sgt that doesnt want to supply anything because he did inventory and his ducks are all in a row, how is that not supposed to create issues?
And grunt is a title that is earned and proudly worn, so i hope people do not think grunts are tired of being called grunts. ASVAB scores? Lmao somebody needs to do some research. Look at cooks and gas pumpers, and yes PAC clerks, 11 and 18 series is higher than most people think. Being grunt is about heart, drive and spirit, NOT i was too dumb to do anything else in the military. There are less than educated people in all parts of the military.
And combat medics are NOT pogs! My medic could rock any weapons system we had, build line charges from C4 to breach and graduated sniper school! Dont F with Doc. Respect for the combat medics. Everyone loves the plt doc.
Pogs, grunts… does not matter to me. The matter of the fact is that we all are pulling our military duty to protect the sons and daughters of america. Thank you for reading. Ok so let me make this simple we are all brothers and sisters. We fight with each others just like at home but you see when we get around other branches we turn on them and when we are over seas we cover their 6 as well. I m ex army when i was in korea i and a few marines mixed it up with some aussi boys.
Look this article offends me. I was a supply ncoic in a combat arms unit and I took care of everybody that went through my supply room. I did 14 months in Iraq n went through the same shit with the infantry. Yeah you had a garbage supply but there are garbage soldiers everywhere.
So how bout we get along instead of bashing each other on FB. There is nothing wrong with having an air conditioned office in a combat zone rather than running missions all day.
The purpose of the original piece was to explain one aspect of the military from a particular point of view. And it is explained in broad strokes. If you would like to lend your own voice to the website, I welcome you to email thedogtagchronicles gmail. I was a comm guy in the Marine Corps. For 8 years doing 5 combat deployments with both the infantry and support units.
I lost friends that were both support and infantry. Bitching at them because someone else fucked your shit up is counter productive. Grow the fuck up, all of you! The same thing every other American overseas has died for; freedom for our fellow man.
I read this article and made a comment a long time ago and then forgot about it for almost a year now. Now my memory has been refreshed from getting all these notification from work comments in my email.
Its the god honest truth. But Some of these comments on here are total BS. If your a boot 03 you have done absolutely nothing and arnt any better than a pog. You can be from security forces or silent drill teem, come to the fleet as an nco and be a complete waist of space.
No better than a pog. One afphgan deployment and one to Spain. I know my place though. I am proud of being a I tend to laugh at these comments more and more. A group of cocky little fucks that think they run shit. Sure because only grunts know how to fix things. It seems to be a ground pounder ego thing. As a 88m I was on convoys all the time. Plenty of times we have been ambushed and had to return fire.
Grunts are soldiers but are a different kind with a different mission. We had total shit bags in our unit just like anywhere else. Was it as much as the grunts suffered? Hell no! But we were soldiers and if you say we were not because we were not grunts then too bad. Another thing I noticed when on the state side that once in awhile a grunt will re class to a support MOS and its all good.
We have learned a lot from those guys when they switch over. Well, it is an ego thing. And it is earned. Everyone can have an ego if they know they do their job correctly. My GT was and in my platoon alone there were 3 people with GTs of over It takes a really smart person to learn all the battle drills, acronyms for everything, how to PMCS a MATV, sometimes do maintenance on them , write 5 paragraph OP orders, and eventually counsel and take care of your soldiers the same way finance or any other MOS does.
Grunts have stuff to worry about and study the same as any MOS, if not more than most. But here is the kicker: A cook does not have to worry about not getting to call his wife while they are away unless a mortar attack happens.
A 88M does not have to worry about dismounting after they get hit, and if they do, they know that there is an Infantry QRF waiting eagerly in the dark nearby. I will not talk about 13F because we had some kick as FOs and 68W medics with us.
I gave my medic my CIB when I earned it. This brings me to my next point: When respect is earned from an Infantrymen, it is given. The medics in my company were treated like royalty. They saved lives of my friends and put their selves in harms way to save others. But not once did a cook help me. I ate MREs for almost 2 months because the road to get to our COP was too dangerous for the 88Ms and our supply company to bring us food or mail.
Not once did a MP save me while they slept in the towers when they were supposed to be on guard, or they complained because they went on a two hour mission across the street in trucks and they were too tired to pull ECP guard.
POGS complain about shit that Grunts do, and dont think twice about doing. Back in garrison, working on a Saturday happens at least twice a month. PT isnt optional. We stay in the field overnight very often, sometimes 4 or 5 nights a week.
POGs dont know that struggle. To summarize, I dont look down on POGs. I look down on POGs who say they can do my job, and havent walked 10 miles with my ruck sack on. I actually wanted that MOS when I first joined the Army but shit happened and they gave me something else. If someone looked down on you and started talking shit first I understand that. I recognize that grunts have a way more dangerous job than the others do but some people make it their sole mission to go generalizing all other jobs in the military as all shitbags.
Now put me in Iraq with a mission to accomplish that involves anything but a written test n I can garentee I will accomplish that mission or die trying. Do your job and be cool with it. I just get irritated with people on here picking fights with people that are not infantry and trying to discredit them for doing their job.
My only complaint. Never look down on grants and never will. I respect you for what they do. For all of the Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines who come on here and cuss and belittle each other please go back to shoving your own head in the sand. It was my job to insure that the helicopters took off and God willing came back with no problems.
In the Army National Guard I was a truck driver, you call we haul. I was deployed only twice to a combat zone and both times all of my Brothers and Sisters all came home alive despite the constant efforts of the terrorists. I must say that I have alot of friends on both sides of this argument, and I have a great respect for any man or woman who is willing to put their name on the line and enlist into the military.
In Iraq with the National Guard I can only remember two missions that we had escort services provided to us. The rest of the time we pulled our own convoy security by any means necessary.
Some of us were lucky enough to have all of the proper gear for gun mounts, but most of it was just stuff we could rig up ourselves. I remember having to live out of that same PLS because we may not see base camp for a month or more. Showers were almost none existent unless you got lucky and a unit took pity on you and allowed you to use theirs.
Like I said I was not a grunt, but still took my job seriously ensuring all of my Brothers and Sisters made it to our next stop alive, no matter the cost. I also made sure to deliver all of the goods needed to make missions and a few comforts possible. The second tour I served as a guard at an Iraqi detention facility, where I was face to face with the same people Infantry captured because of possible crimes against allied forces.
Anyway to my point I love all of my Brothers and Sisters who served no matter of branch or MOS, I truly believe that if we all tried to do the same the military would be a great deal better for it.
Our FO droppings willy P on fucking haji goat fuckers man.. All we see is red!!! And you fight the urge to tear the mother fuckers face apart.. However we had issues with plenty of the POG officers about not shaving, hair cuts, etc jus bc we would run to eat real food after day missions before cleaning up.
Jus my opinion. My grandfather served and so did my father. Now I am too. Both of them were grunts. I was raised with the idea that the military was the military. Infantry has it harder. They do. But they signed for it. You do your damn job because the less people have to worry about the better they perform. You messed up from the beginning. One of my fondest memories is of a mess sgt we had in Somalia. He would go the extra mile for us. For example one night T-rat chicken was on the menu.
Not this guy. He took it out of the can washed that nasty stuff they call gravy off and BBqed it. On the other hand a bad cook just makes a miserable situation even more miserable.
Be proud of your MOS and what you do. I was an 88m and to this day I am still proud of what I did until I retired. I want to be one of those dedicated come and i am proud. Apparently you are one of those that you mentioned…Please tell me how many logistics supply or intel are actually kicking in doors, setting up OPs, doing snatch and grabs? They maybe pulling PSD and gate guard.. Sit back in your air conditioned room and let the Men do the work.
LOL who do you think gets intel? The recon platoon gets the intel and gives it to S2 dildo. I can do my job without support. Support has no job without 11B and 18 series. MI guys do all that stuff, not scouts. Scouts report on disposition. Big, big difference. Google recon manual FM Control F and look for the push and pull method. Every single man in the army plays a vital role.
Where in the hell would we be then? Every man does his job. Every man is important. January , Lieutenant General George S. It takes a special person to want that job much less to confidently do it. If you have a problem with being a POG please reclass and join the ranks. Otherwise stop bitching. Try being a rotary wing mechanic and try again, asshole.
If people never left the military, loudmouth assholes like you would never get promoted. Did it ever occur to you that the Infantry was another hundred miles out, busy with much more important shit? Big fucking woop! In two hours to two weeks, we can be taught most of the duties of a great deal of the MOSs.
So yeah, suck it. Suck that big green dick with a blue chord tied around it like it your fucking birthday present, fuckface! I joined the Infantry a few days after I never planned on making it a career. What else is there? One easy way to tell who is worth a fuck or not is this. ImmaPOG and I agree with this post. Everyone has their job to do and you gotta do it right.
I was a 91B wheeled vehicle mechanic. I wanted infantry at first, but it wasnt open and they didnt tell me I could wait. Blue Angels and brrrrt, silkies and squad bays Get the latest in military news, entertainment and gear in your inbox daily.
Marine Corps. Just my take. Semper Fi! Capt Mark Strobl 6 y. Capt Mark Strobl No worries! I used to hate on the Army as a Marine too, now I understand the simple fact; we are all brothers, and fighting the same fight, just wearing different uniforms So I just figured since I've been on both sides, one makes me better at being the other. Show More Comments. Read This Next. Sponsored Ad. Join nearly 2 million former and current members of the US military, just like you.
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